Turin DF64 vs. Niche Zero | The Battle of Single Dose Coffee Grinders

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good morning hello and welcome back

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okay if your first time joining us for

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my live streaming uh welcome

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uh welcome to the my life and i'm glad

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you guys are here this morning

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uh my stream is not like unlike any

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other

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like videos out there pretty much you

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know you and i we are

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chit-chatting about coffee and i'm gonna

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show you some product reviews and

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you know kind of like small very casual

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setting very fun and also

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uh my wife is taking questions questions

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as well so after we are

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i'm done with you know showing you the

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demo and then you can ask

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me you know anything related to coffee

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okay so this morning it's gonna be a lot

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of fun i'm comparing

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niche versus df-64

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okay uh before i'm gonna uh thanks to

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uh james ed nish and also joe from

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espresso outlet

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kind of like sending us you know their

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grind to review

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on my channel actually i had this niche

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for years uh james was nice enough to

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send me

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this grinder about two years ago so yeah

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it's been really

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i mean working you know it's been

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fantastic and then i just got this

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niche uh df64 recently from joe from

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express outlet

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yeah so we are going to compare side by

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side

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this morning and then let's find out i

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don't want to say which one is better

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and the which one is a better suit for

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you so

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since i'm showing you live and hopefully

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you guys are going to catch

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you know all the good and the bad about

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both grinders

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okay so let's get going here i mean

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obviously they are both

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uh single dose they're single dose

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grinder

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but so let's take a look at the

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aesthetic of it i mean if you're new to

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the

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niche or this df-64 let's start with the

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niche comes design wise

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man that did they did a home run on this

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one okay

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very simple on and off switch pretty

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much

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it uh there comes with a 63 millimeter

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conical bur

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inside uh they're uh same as a mozzer

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koni okay a major corny bird set

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so a 64 millimeter conical burr they're

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amazing

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coffee grinder and to the back

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okay i have to say i think niche did

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great job

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because they are cable management i mean

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this thing alone

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you can if you have an unused cord

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just push back in to the the back here

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so it comes to managing the cable

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management

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man it's a lot better than obviously

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df64

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the f64 there's no cable management

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yeah this you know cable is you gotta

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just fold it

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but you know what some people may be big

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deal

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some people are not but personally i

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mean since i'm in the computer business

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i mean i love the the cable management

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so and for that

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i have to definitely thumbs up a niche

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okay

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and the overall design

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very slick okay kind of like apple like

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man

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looks great overall look and feel

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just wear polished coffee grinder okay

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okay so let's go on to df64

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so df-64 kind of like remind me of my

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mother mini at shop

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very simple design they got 64

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millimeter flat bird there

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and then the only upgrade i did i this

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this the dial

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indicator from my friends at portal

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keeper

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so so it's about what 10 or 12 upgrades

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it's definitely worth it because

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so here is the kind of like the line for

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the indicator light

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you can't even see it so having that

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dial

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definitely helps right now my current

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setting is at number 15 right now

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kind of like right on between on

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espresso

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with a niche you move the dial from the

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top there

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again they give you this very clear mark

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so also this one set at 15 as well so

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this morning

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we are going to put the shot and then

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i'm going to show you guys the workflow

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and then let's see here again so niche

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does not have bellow

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like this sometimes what i do is i use

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the

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palm or shake it but this one i found

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from amazon this suction cup man works

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amazing

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okay so that one you just simply

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put in there just pump it that's it

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about three or four pumps same as

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just like the f64 pumping action

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so get the rest of coffee grinds up okay

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so let's get so this morning i have a

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brand new bags okay a brand new bag of

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coffee

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so i have not dialed in this coffee yet

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so because i'd like to show you guys the

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workflow

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okay so this is the brand new bag from

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good brothers coffee this is a naturally

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processed coffee beans

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let's see tasting note is a honey

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rose water man sounds amazing okay

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so let's dial then we are going to use a

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19 gram

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okay both and also

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we are going to use a bottomless polar

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filter as well

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so so this case you guys are going to

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see the the quality of the grinds okay

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so here's the one thing okay

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i've been using niche for the last

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couple years so this is well seasoned

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but df64 i only use about three times

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so if you see the channeling because

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once you this thing

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this grind df64 flat for grind is nicely

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in season

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uh within another couple week or so

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we're gonna get a lot more consistent

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shot

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but i mean don't be alarmed by

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if you see some challenging on the f64

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once you start using it for a while it's

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gonna get better so

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so let's start with uh niche first okay

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let's start with the niche

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by the way if you are watching my

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channel most likely you guys have

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bravo bristol expresso pro okay which

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means you have

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54 millimeter porter filter

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and i know some of you out there having

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a 58 millimeter standard machine

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i mean their even niche

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cup is made for 58 not 54.

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so so you might have to get them maybe

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like dosing funnel

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but luckily

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uh friends at crema products come up

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with this dosing cup okay

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fits right into 54 millimeters so that's

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what we're gonna use for niche

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it comes to df-64 i'm going to talk

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about that

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all right

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somebody somebody why newborns china

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because it's not

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because the edge is extremely sharp okay

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so you have to kind of like

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okay uh if if some experts out there

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okay

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some experts out there can you let me

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know in the comment section i'd love to

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hear from my

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uh you guys thoughts because whatever

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just like whenever you're buying like

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a brand new birth set you have the

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initial

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you have to you know what yeah i'm gonna

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leave it up to experts

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okay to explain on my channel okay you'd

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be great okay but someone can answer it

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because

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that's what i heard from all my friends

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okay my friends are you know they're

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expert at you know coffee grinder uh

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everybody told me when you gotta wait

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about you know

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a week or so once you get seasoned and

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everything's over nicely

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i don't wanna say warmed that but yeah

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so yeah i mean that's why but i think

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it's going to get better

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times go by but again if you know the

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exact answer

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please let me know okay so this is brand

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new coffee beans

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wow smells wonderful guys man smells

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fantastic so we're going to do a 19 gram

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okay so i'm gonna we are going to start

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with the niche

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first

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[Applause]

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so this is more like medium light to

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medium roast

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here more like medium though okay i

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say medium okay so start with okay we

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are going to start testing

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the single dose portion okay so how

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accurate this uh coffee grinder is

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so what uh what i'm what i'm trying to

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say is what's the retention rate it's

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going to be like okay

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i got 18.9 19.1 gram

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okay so let's get going

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so i have 19.1 gram

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i'm just making sure get all the coffee

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grinds out from the

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my niche okay

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just make sure i'm cleaning everything

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you can see you see some little bit of

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coffee grind

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okay now we are good to go 19.1

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hold on a second guys i'm doing it wrong

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19.1 gram

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as you can see they are messy frayed

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okay

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i really like their dosing cups there

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once i'm done with it

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lift it and i do about like three pounds

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okay you guys remember that right 19.1

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18.9 gram out so we have 0.2 grams

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missing

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okay hold on maybe we can find something

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a little more

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no you know we're not going to okay

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let's be fair so we got

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19.1 and then we are at

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18.9 grams so we are about 0.02 gram is

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missing

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you know a 0.2 gram okay

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that's not bad that's not bad at all

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so here's what we're going to do okay so

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now we are going to

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use

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df-64 so here's what i've done because

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whenever i use this just a plastic cup

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there

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you see the distance between the shoots

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and then cup

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sometimes you we have some static issues

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so i'm trying to remedy that by

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i have an old dosing cup

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pop it in so now that distance is

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reduced

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considerably so we're going to get a

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better result

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good

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i'm just going to flip it it's kind of

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like hard to do with one hand there

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by the way if you are just joining us uh

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so we're going to do 19 grams

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so with the niche about 0.2 grime

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let's find out about the df-64 okay

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we got 19 gram here

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read it

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by the way if you are if you guys know

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where the power button

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is right on the bottom

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wrap it up you are started

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[Music]

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again there's no static issues or

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there's no grinds coming up

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works pretty good and at this point i

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just like to do about couple pumps

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[Music]

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that's it looks pretty good in there as

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well

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[Music]

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so you got 19 in

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18.8 gram out so 0.2 grams so it comes

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single dose wise i mean that does the

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job

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okay you guys seen it first

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so both about point to gram if i'm gonna

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just plunge

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even harder i mean i bet you i can get

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like point one gram out but

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you know it's not a big deal okay point

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to gram or

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0.1 gram if you want to be a little

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precise

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if you want to put another beans in it

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make a 19 gram but

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i mean both pre-accurate okay so you got

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yeah so okay oops

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okay there we go so let's put some shot

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okay let's start with

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i'm just gonna heat up my shot glass

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so this is a big test okay

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by the way

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i set up number 15 for both of them kind

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of like middle of the road

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we may have to adjust the i mean

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espresso

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grinder size but i guess i want to show

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you guys the

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the workflow so

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so with this one just simply pop it in

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here

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flip it over

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i mean that's it

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make sure whenever you lift it lift it

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slowly okay

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just like so i'm not going to do the wdt

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right now okay

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i usually do whenever i use the

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bottomless but i'm not going to do that

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because i like to show you guys the and

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the grinder quality without wdt

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i shoot but i'm not going to okay

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lock it in it

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i'm going to be doing one to two ratio

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okay

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about 18 19 grime in and i'm trying to

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shoot for around 40 grand

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all right let's see it here we go

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[Music]

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okay sure looks good very thick and rich

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hopefully they're gonna come together

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pretty soon there

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yeah definitely chanting going on to the

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side but

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you know what i can live with that

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[Music]

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it's definitely finer shot

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okay it looks pretty good overall i

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didn't see any

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like you know splashing to the side

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it's about what 40 second shot there

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don't look at the man look at the color

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of it

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just beautiful goodness

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that looks pretty good okay so let's try

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this shot

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okay so this is a niche okay

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again so this is i mean we are only

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first time trying this this coffee here

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it smells fantastic

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let me get the spoon ready

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you see that that rich crema on the top

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there very dark

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so cheers

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wow no kidding

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goodness

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i i wish you guys are here uh taste this

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i don't know about you guys but this is

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my first time trying the natural pr uh

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naturally processed coffee beans and

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talking about the

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the honey and rose water

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i mean i can actually

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this is amazing okay this is really good

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i mean just if you are watching the

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natural process way to go

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okay so so that's for that

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okay so i'm trying to uh remember the

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the text here right now

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i'm just gonna move on to

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df64

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okay and after that i'm gonna share with

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you my thoughts on both coffee grinders

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okay but unfortunately

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i don't have the right cut for that but

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i do

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so what i'm going to do is i'm just

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going to transfer from here

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okay

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i'm just gonna flip it over

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i'm just gonna shake it

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i'm just gonna distribute

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i think i lost some like maybe one or

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two gram

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when i'm shaking it but let's see

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okay so niche was that shot and then

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let's go

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with df64

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all right

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[Music]

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okay i see some little bit of channeling

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for a shot it looks beautiful okay

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[Music]

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primer

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about 30 seconds so this is a better

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shot comes to shot

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time wise and then obviously you guys

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saw some uh channeling there so

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a little bit of channeling but i think

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that's something i was expected

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but again the beautiful crumb on the top

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okay let's try this one

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you know what i don't mind a little bit

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of channeling as long as you know you've

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got the the final result is good

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okay i'm very excited about this shot

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here

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so this conical versus flat bur so

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the conical bird tended to bring out all

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the the free notes

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in coffee the flapper is more

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more balanced more fuller taste more has

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more body let's put it away

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cheers okay

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yep definitely

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it's completely different flavor okay

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of like more mild more balanced

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with a conical bur i can taste that

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really brightness so

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okay so both fantastic

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coffee grinders okay i mean as you guys

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saw the workflow wise

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i mean very similar in a way

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i mean having the you know definitely

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having

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the extra cup on the top that reduce the

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the

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kind of spillage to the side so

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definitely worthwhile

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and as you can see i felt like df-64 has

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a little bit

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more static issues okay but not too bad

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compared to niche more cleaner okay

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but i mean man boys that's tough okay

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but again the conical bird is like known

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for you know

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because a lot of pull over i love pro

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over okay

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and they're like uh v60 i i think i

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prefer with the conical bird

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but is it all subjective it's not it's

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all depend on what you like the best

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okay you like the you know filet mignon

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versus you like hamburger helper you

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know kind of like a difference you know

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some people likes other than you know

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so i mean if you guys are like okay

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here's my thoughts on that if you guys

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like if you guys like to do a lot more

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pull over okay

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i think i personally i go with conic

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rubber

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but if you you like to do like a lot of

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espresso

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like chocolate notes and what else

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like nutty flavor if you guys like to do

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the like you know

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very strong bring out the really

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sweetness in the coffee

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i think i go with the flapper okay but

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here's my thoughts you know

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again i mean bravo booster pro or

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express has the clinical verb already in

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there

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but compared with bro uh bravo versus

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niche man the niche give you that more

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balance

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shot and just bring out all the

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sweetness

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ideally have both

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okay that's ideal but if someone asks me

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let's talk about price 450

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for df-64 shift okay free shipping

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450. and then niche you're looking at

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695. so it's a 500 pound so it's about

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695

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and plus you have to pay shipping on

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this so you're looking around 750.

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so 450 versus 70 is about 300

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difference but you have to wait okay

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that's the thing about the niche

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the issue is really really popular right

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now sold out a matter of hours

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so if you guys want something

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again i mean if you guys want the look

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of niche

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have passion with it wait just make sure

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you get it from the niche website

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i saw on aliexpress the other day

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they're selling for twelve hundred

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dollars

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that's ridiculous so i mean if you guys

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want to look

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and feel for the niche just wait and get

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from the website

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okay the niche.com i think a niche i

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think i'm going to put the link down

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below as well

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but i mean if you want to save some

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money

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ds64 is also a pretty good option as

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well

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because so this is the it's called turin

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okay

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tournament so df65 is different from my

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giatto

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it's our same grinder giada your torrent

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some other names whole bunch of names

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out there but

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so this particular one let me show you

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the back

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as well they did

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i mean you know that's pretty slick okay

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pretty slick beautiful you know i mean

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goodness they have a nice you know

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lettering on the bottom

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on the top there i mean looks

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you know what that's kind of like poor

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man's

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the option oh okay the optional makestar

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lagoon

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coffee grinder that's kind of a poor

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man's version of it

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uh they're both 64 millimeter flatburst

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so yeah i mean that both

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personally i really like it okay

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personally i like both but

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if your money is tight the df64 might be

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the good option for you guys

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the beer quality i go with

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a niche okay better quality in a way

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more stylish

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definitely an issue looks a lot better

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but comes to like build

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the ruggedness can beat this this thing

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is a lot heavier than niche okay

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i know some people love to do like

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direct dosing

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there's you have a lot of options as

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well okay you can do a lot of options

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for direct dosing so

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let me show you how how i do it with

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direct dosing on

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df64 okay this is kind of like bonus

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feature for you guys

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i'm just gonna clean it up by the way so

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there

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okay so last shot was i thought a little

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slower okay so since i'm going to show

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you guys the direct dosing portion of it

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so let me show you what i'm going to do

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okay so right now i'm at set at number 6

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15. i'm going to change it to number

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16 okay it's hard to do one hand

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something like that okay i'm just gonna

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change to like 16.

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and then let me show you how i do direct

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dosing

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when i'm using df64 i tried it once this

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morning

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works pretty good so this is like you

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know dosing funnel

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i mean i think it's a thomas or cy made

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it for me years ago okay i don't

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remember

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but this one

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fits right in like so

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you can just put it right here okay so

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that's what we're gonna do

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so let's do 19 gram

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again okay

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if you guys are watching this after live

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show

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just fast for this boring part but

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if you guys out there thank you for

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joining us this morning

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[Applause]

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okay so this is fun part because i love

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direct dosing okay

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so we're gonna do 19 gram we go

27:49

watch this

27:53

all right again comes the workflow it's

27:56

pretty

27:57

simple

28:00

it's kind of hard to do one hand but

28:03

hold a second

28:08

okay here we go

28:18

[Music]

28:27

not bad isn't it i mean work the

28:31

quality is pretty good okay i haven't

28:32

done anything this is pretty much the

28:34

stock okay stock per set

28:38

i mean nothing there hold on a second

28:42

what i'm gonna do is

28:51

i'm just gonna pump a little bit

28:59

again uh look at the grind quality

29:02

pretty good okay

29:03

so this is my what fourth time using it

29:08

you know what let's do wdt on this one

29:11

let's do a little bit of wdt i don't

29:13

think we need to but

29:16

wdt

29:19

and then i have this homemade pork break

29:23

from 3d from john

29:27

just gonna rake it

29:31

good

29:35

let's pull the shot i wonder we're gonna

29:38

get a better shot than

29:40

one before okay

29:44

let's find out just

29:47

even pressure

29:56

i betcha we're gonna get a better shot

29:57

than last time

30:06

okay do the same as the last one

30:10

one to two ratio

30:15

here we go

30:22

take a look

30:33

so this is the f64 a second shot

30:51

[Music]

30:56

oh i see some donut there as well

31:04

a lot of donuts but yeah the shell looks

31:07

overall

31:08

even i think it's better than last one

31:11

looks pretty good besides doing it

31:16

but i think i bet you know is this is

31:19

someone actually explained about the

31:20

season

31:21

bursa yet okay so

31:25

again the shot looks really good

31:27

fantastic

31:29

so let's try that okay

31:38

so this second shot of df64 cheers

31:44

oh yeah much better much better

31:49

but the the conical burp they'll bring

31:51

out the very fritness of the

31:54

uh your coffee so this is more balanced

32:00

this one from uh niche a lot more

32:02

brighter

32:03

sweeter yeah so i guess all depends on

32:06

what you guys like

32:07

okay it's all depends on what it looks

32:09

like

32:10

so so now

32:14

you guys seen it so let me know in the

32:15

comment section there you guys prefer

32:18

niche or df-64 love to hear from you but

32:21

if you have df64 at home please let me

32:23

know do you like it

32:25

or you don't and i saw james huffman did

32:28

a video on this one

32:29

he's a df64 niche killer

32:32

i i don't think you know what i don't

32:34

think we're not comparing the

32:35

right machine because they're both

32:37

they're completely different machine

32:39

even though same bird size similar but

32:42

you got conical versus

32:43

flat different price point

32:47

i mean you guys are into design the

32:48

stylish versus

32:50

more like practical i mean if you're

32:53

looking for some practical coffee

32:54

grinder

32:55

single dose if you don't mind being a

32:58

little bit

32:58

messier a df-64 is

33:02

good you know fantastic grinder for that

33:05

but if you want to match with your

33:07

aesthetic on your kitchen

33:09

your coffee bar coffee studio if you

33:12

have it

33:13

i mean this is all i mean this is just

33:15

fits

33:16

fits perfectly this looks better so

33:20

kind of up to you you want to go for the

33:22

look

33:24

and now both has a both has a great

33:26

quality of it i mean both i like it

33:29

and then you can do some a little bit of

33:31

modification as well with

33:33

uh with df-64 you can actually

33:36

replaced with the actual mazda the super

33:39

jolly

33:40

bird set if you guys want to or we can

33:42

replace with the ssp

33:44

version of it there's a lot of

33:46

modifications out there

33:48

but with a niche it's somewhat limited

33:51

again ssp birthday is about 250 or so

33:56

so this is well about 450.

33:59

if you're going to add to another 250

34:01

bring up to 700 bucks

34:03

pretty much the same in line with the

34:05

niche but you know what those burst sets

34:09

it's gonna it's gonna make difference in

34:11

shock quality i'm not sure

34:13

uh if you have ssp burst set at home

34:16

let me know okay i think a cy has one cy

34:18

has a df-64 with ssp

34:21

if you are let me see why can you tell

34:24

the difference in taste

34:25

okay hold on we have some questions yes

34:34

okay based on the flavor taste you know

34:36

what

34:37

since i like to drink like a lot of

34:39

americana okay or long black

34:42

in your country then i think i go with

34:44

the niche price is not an issue

34:46

but if you are like you know if you if

34:48

you love espresso

34:50

like chocolate or you know strong

34:52

chocolate and nutty flavor

34:53

something i think you go with a flat

34:56

flapper but

34:57

again that's why if you go to most cafes

35:02

most places they use flat bur a coffee

35:05

grinder

35:06

so this all depends but yeah uh if

35:09

money is not an issue i go with

35:11

conocober

35:12

personally what else

35:16

um this isn't a question about the

35:18

grinder but one of the viewers carla

35:20

wants to understand your horticulture

35:23

the naked portafilter what does it mean

35:26

when

35:27

all the flow isn't going through all the

35:29

basket is that

35:30

good bad okay because it comes to like

35:33

naked

35:33

pore filter that shows you the okay

35:36

first of all that shows the quality of

35:37

the grinds okay

35:38

the because you are compact so compact

35:41

that

35:42

fine grind if once your water hits

35:45

the water wants to go easy has to go out

35:48

okay

35:48

if the grind is somewhat uh all uniform

35:52

and

35:52

well distributed go at the same time

35:55

that's why you got the nice you know

35:57

uh coffee you know the bottomless

35:59

particulate is come out very nicely and

36:01

smooth

36:02

but if you're something uneven grind

36:04

size not uniform

36:05

you see that you know sideways you know

36:08

you know i mean spits out

36:09

so kind of like just tell you the you

36:11

know quality of the

36:12

coffee grinds and your distribution i

36:15

don't use

36:16

bottomless portafilter 99 at a time

36:18

unless if i do like presentation like

36:20

this

36:21

most times i use the regular

36:25

it okay because i don't have to worry

36:28

about channeling

36:29

works pretty good so yeah i mean if you

36:32

have you know if you have bottomless

36:34

great that's great teaching tool okay

36:37

but

36:38

by the way i'm using the

36:41

18 to 20 gram basket from amazon instead

36:44

of the 16 to 18

36:45

gram basket from uh bravo okay

36:49

personally i like the 18 or 18 to 20

36:52

gram baskets

36:53

a lot easier to work with you don't have

36:55

to worry about spillage yeah so

36:58

perhaps it's not that expensive it's

36:59

about 15 bucks okay i'm gonna put the

37:01

link down below as well but yeah

37:03

uh you can get the ims filter basket for

37:06

like 38 dollars but they are

37:08

they're like 18 to 22 gram baskets okay

37:12

if you are using the lighter roast i put

37:14

about 25 gram on that one so

37:16

if you guys like strong if you you got

37:18

like a lot of espresso

37:20

ims is also pretty good option as well

37:23

depending on the ratio you can put even

37:26

25 gram

37:27

one to two about 50 gram how if you go

37:29

like one to three ratio

37:32

75 gram out so yeah it all depends on

37:34

what you guys want but

37:35

i mean but again the

37:38

filter basket the bottomless great

37:41

teaching tool

37:45

okay said his preference is the niche as

37:48

well but it's good to have both

37:50

depending on what flavors again i mean

37:53

they

37:54

they mentioned about it's nice to have

37:56

both

37:57

but the problem is let's see the space

38:00

issue

38:00

okay most of us like us okay i mean this

38:04

is it so this is my kitchen coffee

38:07

counter

38:08

if you have to coffee grinder

38:11

man you out of luck okay so

38:14

i mean if you have since you have the

38:17

conical bird on bravo

38:19

so if money is not you should get a nice

38:22

flapper

38:22

okay so you can try the different ways

38:24

because

38:26

you know what bravo building grinder

38:28

it's not too bad okay they're pretty

38:29

good

38:30

oh by the way so i'm gonna shout out to

38:33

uh dane for super

38:35

sticker super chat thank you for that

38:37

and also i'm gonna shout out to

38:38

richard lee uh he hooked me up with the

38:42

paypal donation

38:44

he's very generous okay thanks richard

38:46

if you are watching

38:47

so right now we are up to 400 right now

38:50

for the

38:51

uh our next the coffee machine so 400

38:55

and i'm looking at i'm really looking at

38:58

the little

38:59

bianca at the moment bianca has

39:02

all the features i'm looking for flow

39:04

control

39:05

durable dual boiler rory pump

39:08

little bianca has everything so yeah so

39:11

i'm looking into that right now but

39:12

unless something changes some other

39:14

machine pops up

39:16

but so that's the one okay so far

39:19

okay what else why not use the wdt tool

39:24

all the time

39:25

someone asked me why not use the wdt

39:27

tools all the time okay so what if i use

39:29

the

39:30

like spouted ones i you know

39:33

i don't use the okay the fact is you

39:35

know what

39:37

because because i want to be practical

39:39

in the morning

39:42

you know i have to make about three four

39:43

coffee in the morning i just

39:45

you know i i don't like to just play

39:47

with wdt because

39:48

i don't care about the channeling i

39:50

don't care about the

39:52

shock quality because all my family

39:54

drink has a

39:55

baked drink so yeah we usually put a

39:57

shot

39:58

put some add some milk and some shot of

40:01

caramel that's it so yeah

40:03

but whatever i drink you know by myself

40:05

at home

40:06

definitely i'll do wdt

40:09

and how long were your shots how long is

40:12

my shot the

40:13

the good old question okay extraction

40:15

time all depends on you know okay once

40:17

you

40:18

set the time you guys playing on the

40:21

unit

40:21

sometimes whenever so with bribery

40:24

pro has a built-in timer so i like to

40:28

between like 30 and 35 seconds for my

40:30

shot for this one

40:32

and some of you out there see the first

40:35

drop

40:36

between 25 and 30 seconds but

40:39

play with both methods and then

40:42

find out what tastes the best for you

40:45

and stick with that time

40:47

okay again this is your coffee

40:50

you know i mean there's a lot of

40:52

information out there on youtube

40:54

but you know what this is your coffee

40:57

don't

40:57

don't anybody tell you about how do you

40:59

drink your coffee okay

41:01

because hopefully you're gonna find the

41:03

coffee you like and just stick with it

41:04

you know kind of just play

41:06

with it that's why having your own

41:07

machine is so much fun

41:09

so yeah justin wants to know are you

41:11

converted to trying more naturals now

41:16

you know what justin uh this natural

41:18

process i have to say this is amazing

41:20

okay to bring us so much flavor so yeah

41:23

i mean definitely

41:25

i mean if i can get more uh naturally

41:27

processed ones i definitely try more but

41:28

yeah so

41:29

i'm planning on using it more okay but

41:32

yeah

41:33

by the way if you haven't tried

41:34

naturally processed coffee beans highly

41:36

recommend it

41:37

uh by the way the good brothers coffee i

41:39

have the 27 percent coupon code

41:42

underneath as well i'm done with it

41:43

make sure to try it out their coffee too

41:46

free fresh um

41:47

you were asked what about pacinio

41:50

presidio okay yeah yeah

41:54

positive 54 million basket they're great

41:56

i mean if you can get the

41:58

basket get it okay because they're a lot

42:02

better than broadway stock baskets

42:04

they're 16 to 18.

42:06

yeah because even amazon basket by 18 to

42:08

20 grand basket

42:10

that fits perfect i think you get a

42:12

pretty decent shot out of it

42:15

okay are we good this morning

42:18

um okay my wife is going through all

42:22

your questions right now so by the way

42:23

if you haven't

42:24

make sure press like on this video it

42:26

can kind of help you with the ranking

42:27

and stuff like that so

42:29

definitely helpful and so

42:33

i'm not planning on doing any kind of

42:34

mod for this one

42:36

df64 because you know what because i

42:39

want to show you guys the you know kind

42:40

of like fairness

42:42

because not everybody wants the

42:43

modification so

42:45

the only mod i did was the i got uh this

42:48

dial indicator from

42:49

polar kefir and that's it

42:52

this is about what 12 investment there

42:54

so it's not too bad

42:57

we got one last question really notice

42:59

reduced flavor

43:00

from my espresso any advice to improve

43:03

it my

43:03

infuser and rebel pro grinder is a year

43:06

old

43:07

you know what the infusion and bravo pro

43:09

43:10

goodness the smart grinders are they're

43:11

both great you know they're a great

43:13

setup though

43:14

so if the okay first of all goodness

43:19

that that is a loaded question because

43:22

because

43:22

you need to find out what kind of make

43:24

sure play with the grinder setting

43:26

okay also make sure you find that is

43:29

that bitter or sour

43:31

okay just play with it because yeah i

43:34

mean

43:35

it's kind of hard to tell okay because

43:37

the flavor is all subjective so

43:40

um if you have any questions or message

43:41

me on my instagram page okay

43:43

the dre dm me on my instagram maybe

43:47

i can find out what your issues are

43:51

okay are we good this morning great

43:53

thank you so much for watching

43:55

it was a long show okay it's let me know

43:57

long live streaming

43:58

but hopefully you know i show you guys

44:01

it enough

44:02

to see the workflow of both niche

44:05

and df-64 i mean

44:09

so far i'm pretty happy with it

44:12

and price is right they're 450 even sata

44:16

or 270wi they're like what 540

44:21

so i mean you know okay before i'm going

44:23

to let you guys go

44:25

you know let's hear the sound of motor

44:27

okay

44:29

okay let's do that let last the

44:32

which one is quieter

44:36

okay so here's what we're gonna do

44:39

i'm gonna flip it around because also

44:42

noise factor is you know important

44:44

as well so here's my microphone there

44:47

let me know which one is quieter

44:54

so this is niche

44:58

let's go to df64

45:04

[Applause]

45:09

what do you guys think it's a df64 when

45:11

this comes to quietness

45:22

the fact is the f-64 has a much bigger

45:26

motor

45:27

okay much bigger motor there

45:32

so i think it sounds a lot more lower

45:34

peach

45:35

and a little i think it's a little

45:36

quieter but

45:38

uh you know what if you guys cure uh

45:40

bear from polar keeper uh

45:42

on his youtube channel barrett did

45:45

breakdown of both machines

45:47

actually he teared down both of them so

45:49

make sure to check it out

45:50

very great job on it yeah so

45:53

i think the f64 is a little quieter more

45:56

kind of like

45:57

full lower sound lower pitch sound

46:01

yeah yo there versus

46:06

yep so again so df64 has a bigger motor

46:10

for sure

46:11

anyway i hope you guys like this video

46:12

this kind of format and

46:16

okay everybody say the f64 so yeah the

46:18

f64 is quieter so

46:20

uh so it's all depend on what you guys

46:23

want

46:24

okay that both has pros and cons but

46:28

i mean those pros and cons i mean the

46:30

khan is only about

46:31

that it's not a significant difference

46:34

there

46:35

it all depends it all comes down to your

46:37

style

46:39

let's put it up it's all depends on

46:40

which style you guys

46:42

i mean you guys like the best the fact

46:44

is you know what even though the price

46:46

difference is about what

46:47

300 difference there it sounds like a

46:50

lot

46:50

but if you're planning on using it for

46:52

next five ten years

46:54

so again i mean just get the grinder you

46:57

want okay

46:58

do not skimp it just like machines

47:01

i mean if you are playing an upgrading

47:03

machine get the motion you want

47:05

sometimes you know i think i'm going to

47:06

get this one i'm going to wait another

47:08

few more years get that instead of

47:10

getting right away

47:12

save that money save another year or so

47:15

get the machine you really really want

47:17

because

47:20

i mean if you're breaking down by cost

47:21

difference for over next 10 years

47:24

that's nothing so just like grinder as

47:26

well

47:28

i mean if you guys want the you know

47:30

grinder that if you guys really want it

47:31

could be

47:32

niche could be the f64 if you have just

47:35

a built-in grinder

47:37

if you want to buy if you want to buy

47:38

weber key

47:41

the coffee grinder is about sixteen

47:43

hundred bucks

47:44

okay save the money and

47:47

just get the motion you guys want okay

47:49

do not skimp it because

47:51

you're going to have this motion for a

47:52

long long time so anyway i hope you guys

47:55

like this video and i'm going to see you

47:57

guys next time